This is real hybrid crossover stuff, the language doesn't translate well. Very similar to the purple plywood piece below. What can one really say, can't argue that it wasn't thought out, it appears executed with exact decisions.
Such a in depth knowledge about art, and a understanding in artists! Yet has not a clue of the responsibility of BEING a artist,art is not about ideas as in math , the artist can not escape a human condition or better said a human limit to create as established with this work. Its logic and common sense, it is just more public narcissism, It is a form of repression or prohibition that under cuts the concepts of artistic freedom . Art is not about how smart you are to solve a problem... this work is based on assumption of art .
Visually Dull. Doesn't make you wanna keep coming back like real art (vs. entertainment or illustration of ideas). I feel sorry for him. Too much art INFO leads to a starving eye for visual creation.
Lets take a look here and see whats going on. The short writings on Jeffs work on this blog are just a few short lines without any in-depth analysis of peoples statements.
Writing any theoretical ideas about art is to convince readers your statement has validity in a contextual sense. Lets get beyond simon from american idol and have a true dialog with some indepth and thoughtful insights. This mean we need evolve beyond graduate school rhetoric.
This work is really pushing the architectural envelope. Jeff is using typical wall painting heights and leaving them as negative or blank. He is then using x and y coordinates and changeling the viewer to look up as if we were viewing The Assumption of the Virgin, by El Greco, but no, were looking at grass-like iceless that might hold a holier presence than we thought. These objects render as architecture computer models that will be placed in a Spanish painting in the near future or maybe these icicles might come smashing down upon our heads.
Oh please. You(not the viewers) can take any one of the formulas.Mary by Jose' de Ribera or Mary by Honore Daumier or Mary by Domenico Piola or any of El greco's Mary's and add the word Architectural and you still have rhetoric when comparing this work to that idea (shot me now)graduated or not..but with it now... the work is heading for the future and pushing the envelope.??.oh no i missed that? HOW? And how can you structure a complex theoretical idea on a idea that does not move you? Icicles smashing on our heads oh my what a surprizer for the "VIEWER" oh wait the future has been provided for spanish painters ! well thanks a bunch i will let them know they heard it hear first ! Were was Picasso when the icicles ideas were needed to go beyond staying on a page..oh the x?y? well thats all you had to say! Coordinating and challenge the viewer now I am convinced...i really missed something...pause ..go.... and ..look ..
NO WAY IM sticking with the no clothes on the emperor..its as in depth as the work deserves! its iceless. P.s. using negative space surrounding a work of art was used by ceramic Japanese potters before Christ had the last supper. But maybe the spanish do not know this.
Oh please. You(not the viewers) can take any one of the formulas.Mary by Jose' de Ribera or Mary by Honore Daumier or Mary by Domenico Piola or any of El greco's Mary's and add the word Architectural and you still have rhetoric when comparing this work to that idea (shot me now)graduated or not..but with it now... the work is heading for the future and pushing the envelope.??.oh no i missed that? HOW? And how can you structure a complex theoretical idea on a idea that does not move you? Icicles smashing on our heads oh my what a surprizer for the "VIEWER" oh wait the future has been provided for spanish painters ! well thanks a bunch i will let them know they heard it hear first ! Were was Picasso when the icicles ideas were needed to go beyond staying on a page..oh the x?y? well thats all you had to say! Coordinating and challenge the viewer now I am convinced...i really missed something...pause ..go.... and ..look ..
NO WAY IM sticking with the no clothes on the emperor..its as in depth as the work deserves! its iceless. P.s. using negative space surrounding a work of art was used by ceramic Japanese potters before Christ had the last supper. But maybe the spanish do not know this.
Was that even a retort to the intelligent comment that came before it?
Think about this; when the best pair of eyes in Portland does a very visceral show, people here claimed it was choking on theory. Now that's a pretty funny misread.
Also, these are exactly the same types of responses Robert Irwin got when he showed at the PCVA in the 70's. I saw that show and I saw this one, and though they are mostly dissimilar both required the same type of viewer openess to "get".
Either you have that openess or you don't, but one can't apply the same criteria one would to a traditional painter or sculptor and hope to understand this work.
Personally, I thought Jahn's show was humorous and challenging in a very matter of fact way. It was a good Spring show, both "light of touch" and hyperactive, which isn't easy to achieve spatially.
It was about the eyes and the body experiencing space. It was probably designed to piss people off who simply wanted to see someone pushing paint around with a brush or toiling away as some kind of sacrificial art martyr toiling away in the studio.
ok students raise your hand if you will be using the word "visceral "in your thesis presentation ok now the students who will use the word "spatially" good were out of the 70s then you can go out in the world and see art now ..and understand it >
Oh another paranoid conspiracy theory. People act as if Jahn has a patent on opinions in town and it's just the bong resin talking.
Besides, if you are going to critique the work, then go ahead and just do it otherwise it's just like sasquatch sightings.
Also, what is hilarious is how his detractors ultimately end up supporting his efforts.
To give credit without a stamp of approval, there is an influence at work and sadly if this discussion can't get beyond the polemics it's just a missed opportunity.
The point is, this guy is not an artist at all, and should not feign to be, it simply is press mongering bs. This particular installation was not thought out well to the space - otherwise the pristine white floor shazams wouldn't have been all covered in footprints. The piece was a cheaply made stage set, like window dressing, not art in the format of real installation with a premise for possible interaction.
That's funny, I don't think this show had anything to do with contemplating objects at all and his statements about the space made it pretty clear he chose the gallery because of its foot traffic and what it would do to the space. Also, since when is stagecraft in installation art verboten?
What is the real issue here? Sometimes artists resent all the attention other artists get and assume it's some PR machine driving the whole thing. Yet the reason everyone pays attention to Jahn is he continues to put a great deal of thought and work into everything he does. Accusing him of not thinking something through when it was in the show statement only highlights your need to react without doing the most basic fact checking.
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Jeff Jahn @
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1241 NW Johnson St.
Portland,OR 97209
I am compelled to call bullshit. After all the fuss, this is it? Does the emperor have no clothes!
This is real hybrid crossover stuff, the language doesn't translate well. Very similar to the purple plywood piece below. What can one really say, can't argue that it wasn't thought out, it appears executed with exact decisions.
Such a in depth knowledge about art, and a understanding in artists! Yet has not a clue of the responsibility of BEING a artist,art is not about ideas as in math , the artist can not escape a human condition or better said a human limit to create as established with this work. Its logic and common sense, it is just more public narcissism,
It is a form of repression or prohibition that under cuts the concepts of artistic freedom . Art is not about how smart you are to solve a problem... this work is based on assumption of art .
empty is ..what empty does..
Visually Dull. Doesn't make you wanna keep coming back like real art (vs. entertainment or illustration of ideas).
I feel sorry for him. Too much art INFO leads to a starving eye for visual creation.
Good art makes one marvel at the artist's hand and makes academics write long wall texts telling one how it is indicative of the human condition.
An empty room leaves me with nothing to contemplate but myself and/or anything but.
Get serious. Do you think any art is REALLY worth looking at. Bravo to Jeff.
Lets take a look here and see whats going on. The short writings on Jeffs work on this blog are just a few short lines without any in-depth analysis of peoples statements.
Writing any theoretical ideas about art is to convince readers your statement has validity in a contextual sense. Lets get beyond simon from american idol and have a true dialog with some indepth and thoughtful insights. This mean we need evolve beyond graduate school rhetoric.
This work is really pushing the architectural envelope. Jeff is using typical wall painting heights and leaving them as negative or blank. He is then using x and y coordinates and changeling the viewer to look up as if we were viewing The Assumption of the Virgin, by El Greco, but no, were looking at grass-like iceless that might hold a holier presence than we thought. These objects render as architecture computer models that will be placed in a Spanish painting in the near future or maybe these icicles might come smashing down upon our heads.
Oh please. You(not the viewers) can take any one of the formulas.Mary by Jose' de Ribera or Mary by Honore Daumier or Mary by Domenico Piola or any of El greco's Mary's and add the word Architectural and you still have rhetoric when comparing this work to that idea (shot me now)graduated or not..but with it now... the work is heading for the future and pushing the envelope.??.oh no i missed that? HOW? And how can you structure a complex theoretical idea on a idea that does not move you? Icicles smashing on our heads oh my what a surprizer for the "VIEWER" oh wait the future has been provided for spanish painters ! well thanks a bunch i will let them know they heard it hear first ! Were was Picasso when the icicles ideas were needed to go beyond staying on a page..oh the x?y? well thats all you had to say! Coordinating and challenge the viewer now I am convinced...i really missed something...pause ..go.... and ..look ..
NO WAY IM sticking with the no clothes on the emperor..its as in depth as the work deserves! its iceless.
P.s. using negative space surrounding a work of art was used by ceramic Japanese potters before Christ had the last supper. But maybe the spanish do not know this.
Oh please. You(not the viewers) can take any one of the formulas.Mary by Jose' de Ribera or Mary by Honore Daumier or Mary by Domenico Piola or any of El greco's Mary's and add the word Architectural and you still have rhetoric when comparing this work to that idea (shot me now)graduated or not..but with it now... the work is heading for the future and pushing the envelope.??.oh no i missed that? HOW? And how can you structure a complex theoretical idea on a idea that does not move you? Icicles smashing on our heads oh my what a surprizer for the "VIEWER" oh wait the future has been provided for spanish painters ! well thanks a bunch i will let them know they heard it hear first ! Were was Picasso when the icicles ideas were needed to go beyond staying on a page..oh the x?y? well thats all you had to say! Coordinating and challenge the viewer now I am convinced...i really missed something...pause ..go.... and ..look ..
NO WAY IM sticking with the no clothes on the emperor..its as in depth as the work deserves! its iceless.
P.s. using negative space surrounding a work of art was used by ceramic Japanese potters before Christ had the last supper. But maybe the spanish do not know this.
Was that even a retort to the intelligent comment that came before it?
Think about this; when the best pair of eyes in Portland does a very visceral show, people here claimed it was choking on theory. Now that's a pretty funny misread.
Also, these are exactly the same types of responses Robert Irwin got when he showed at the PCVA in the 70's. I saw that show and I saw this one, and though they are mostly dissimilar both required the same type of viewer openess to "get".
Either you have that openess or you don't, but one can't apply the same criteria one would to a traditional painter or sculptor and hope to understand this work.
Personally, I thought Jahn's show was humorous and challenging in a very matter of fact way. It was a good Spring show, both "light of touch" and hyperactive, which isn't easy to achieve spatially.
It was about the eyes and the body experiencing space. It was probably designed to piss people off who simply wanted to see someone pushing paint around with a brush or toiling away as some kind of sacrificial art martyr toiling away in the studio.
The site determined the art and the experience.
ok students raise your hand if you will be using the word "visceral "in your thesis presentation ok now the students who will use the word "spatially"
good were out of the 70s then you can go out in the world and see art now ..and understand it >
do you ever get the feeling that jeff just argues with himself to up the comment count?
crazy. and i don't mean that in any artistic sense.
Oh another paranoid conspiracy theory. People act as if Jahn has a patent on opinions in town and it's just the bong resin talking.
Besides, if you are going to critique the work, then go ahead and just do it otherwise it's just like sasquatch sightings.
Also, what is hilarious is how his detractors ultimately end up supporting his efforts.
To give credit without a stamp of approval, there is an influence at work and sadly if this discussion can't get beyond the polemics it's just a missed opportunity.
The point is, this guy is not an artist at all, and should not feign to be, it simply is press mongering bs. This particular installation was not thought out well to the space - otherwise the pristine white floor shazams wouldn't have been all covered in footprints. The piece was a cheaply made stage set, like window dressing, not art in the format of real installation with a premise for possible interaction.
That's funny, I don't think this show had anything to do with contemplating objects at all and his statements about the space made it pretty clear he chose the gallery because of its foot traffic and what it would do to the space. Also, since when is stagecraft in installation art verboten?
What is the real issue here? Sometimes artists resent all the attention other artists get and assume it's some PR machine driving the whole thing. Yet the reason everyone pays attention to Jahn is he continues to put a great deal of thought and work into everything he does. Accusing him of not thinking something through when it was in the show statement only highlights your need to react without doing the most basic fact checking.
to anonymous , june 10, 2008 - 12:02:
hi jeff.
Still wrong, though I can pass on the greeting to him.
Then again maybe not, you seem a tiny bit obsessed? Perhaps when you look at a cloud you see his puffy white hair?
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